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welcome everyone to another episode of

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somewhere in the skies live i am your

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ryan sprague and today we're going to be

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probably a lot of you are familiar with

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but if you're not we will try to catch

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you up to speed

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it is the 25th anniversary of the alien

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autopsy film

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and i've got a funny story about my

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first time seeing it i know my guest

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today so without further ado i'm going

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to bring him in you know him best

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from rogue planet and the unknown

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podcast my buddy my colleague

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jason mcclellan how you doing man hey

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i'm wonderful ryan how are you i'm good

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i reached out to you you what was it

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goes yes if you're on facebook

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pouring in already so this is gonna be

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um but before we talk about the main

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jason the alien autopsy i gotta

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talk to you about your latest episode of

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the unknown podcast i listened to it

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last night

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and um look it's something that a lot of

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and uh was a huge hypothetical some 20

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but it's becoming a reality so i want to

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i want to get it from you you wrote a

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huge expose

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or article on this for open minds

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magazine in the past but it's

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space law so tell us a little about this

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uh most recent episode

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mine asteroids and and the moon and

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regarding business activities so talk

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who owns space who owns the moon who

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a lot of countries have never been to

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space they don't have space programs

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that really affect everybody and going

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companies that want to go and make money

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resources they want to mine the moon

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how does it benefit all of humanity if a

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is profiting you know making money how's

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all of humanity some have made some

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interesting and creative arguments but

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yeah it's interesting business people

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are good at making creative arguments

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oh yeah well that that's another um

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exactly yeah yeah it shows good business

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um the other kind of there's two other

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in uh both the article you wrote and

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this episode of unknown

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uh property versus you know

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actually the celestial body let's say

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like let's say you go to the moon um you

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can you lay steak on the moon as

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property um so this this law was pretty

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would you maybe yeah mine kind of

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running us through this whole thing the

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certainly the moon treaty uh from 1979

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as being anything worth of note

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property on the moon or a piece of

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even now this is this issue has come up

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because you've got so many companies out

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property you know sell you deeds

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a piece or an entire celestial body

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stations or things like that

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you can do that but here's where it gets

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you can own the structure you don't own

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the soil beneath it

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and that's again another strike against

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people who want to own

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the the minerals want to mine and own

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those resources

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um you can't lay steak to to the ground

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but you can own the structure that you

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all structures also all structures all

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like moon buggies you know any uh

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whatever you have there has to be open

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and available for any astronaut so

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you spend the money and build this you

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or settlement or whatever you want to

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that's great but then you have somebody

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from another country come knocking on

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the door you gotta like

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they want it's really weird

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hotel but then like an astronaut from

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just like come up and you're obligated

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to let him stay there for free

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so kind of interesting kind of

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interesting

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yeah yeah again it's just like we're

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stumbling

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along as we continue to stumble is a

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good word yep

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you know explore the stars and uh yeah

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the wild west i think is the best way we

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could possibly put this

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um and everybody's just interpreting

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these things the way they want and

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and the way that fits their their

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individual motives

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yeah well what i thought was really

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interesting too is you um

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you referenced several books so they've

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actually been

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several books written about this already

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um

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you know yeah we've had these things

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going on since like the 60s 70s

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but the fact that like there have been

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full books and

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um you know attorneys who've looked at

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this

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interesting um yeah looks like a space

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launcher

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yep we glitched for a little bit but um

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yeah space law is a very specialized

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area there are people who

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who specialize in this field um and in

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fact nasa is currently hiring for a

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space

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yeah i think back when when i first

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started looking into space law

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it was when i was doing research for the

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article i was writing for open minds at

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the time

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and that's when i really loaded up on my

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my space law books

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so i added to my library with uh with

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some good space law books

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but you know i mean that was a long time

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ago and there's certainly

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many more uh by now and i also did some

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additional research i think i even wrote

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about this when

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when i was with two of the stars so

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space law has been

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again it's just something that i find

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incredibly fascinating it's

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developing it's it's a budding thing

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even though it's been around since the

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60s

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but we're just now seeing people think

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about this as a

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serious thing that because of the

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current space race and all of

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commercial space activities happening

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right now

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this is something that needs to be

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revisited and revised to

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you know have some working work from

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some

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legal framework that actually works

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right and here's the thing let's say

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it's implemented

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we're all on the same page here on earth

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about space law

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but then you know there's that curveball

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that

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possibility of

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extraterrestrials so again i want people

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to go listen to the episode because you

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get deep into all this but um

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let's talk a little about where does et

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play

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into all this it's one thing for us to

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create space law

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um on our planet and colonizing and

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property and

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drilling but then like boom what if we

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get to a planet

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let's say mars and uh it's already

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inhabited

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does our space law even count anymore

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when it comes to

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another civilization yeah where do you

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what do you think about all that jason

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yeah see these are all big issues that

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a lot of people spend time thinking

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about and things that need to be

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addressed

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but just like we see here on earth with

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issues of

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jurisdiction and extradition

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um it's a mess and i mean bring other

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planets into it other worlds other

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civilizations

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um it would be a nightmare

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yeah if we're if we're on mars we lay

389
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steak to you know some area on mars or

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try to establish a colony or a

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settlement

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and there's some native martians there

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they come and say hey you put this stuff

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on my land sorry it's mine

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what are you gonna do can you can you

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take them to court in

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in the united states if it's a united

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states company why would martians even

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blink an eye at united states law from

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some civilization on earth

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it's you know just a a complete mess

402
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and i'm glad the un is involved because

403
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it does need to be an international

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effort

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here on our planet when it comes to

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thinking about these issues and

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establishing these laws

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because it is any any sort of

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intergalactic

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uh legal issues that arise are going to

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affect the entire planet

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all of humanity so it needs to be a

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unified effort because we're we're

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then on a on a global scale a planetary

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scale when it comes to the laws and the

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issues and then

417
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you know i mean we can't even fathom

418
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some of the issues that we'd face

419
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our laws are written to deal with humans

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with people

421
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yeah you know and we're dealing with

422
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issues related to that now here on this

423
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planet where

424
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you know trying to get some of those

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laws that specifically only apply to

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people

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to apply to animals as well um you know

428
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so then thinking extraterrestrial it it

429
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gets wild

430
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and i love i love reading some of the

431
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stuff that that even goes down that

432
00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:24,720
route but it's it's all just thought at

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this point

434
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,120
yeah until it becomes real right yeah um

435
00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:31,839
i think it's just too far off right

436
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:32,480
exactly

437
00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:34,240
look at how rapidly we're moving it's

438
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:36,959
insane um gary voorhees is in the chat

439
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he uh

440
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he was one of the gentlemen that um was

441
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first to witness the tic tac ufo event

442
00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:45,279
so you know um he he has a lot to

443
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to sort of um to suggest with all this

444
00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:50,639
and he says space force i mean i

445
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remember talking to an air force guy

446
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recently

447
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and i asked him hey why is the air force

448
00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:56,399
not really

449
00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:58,720
getting involved with all this ufo stuff

450
00:15:02,550 --> 00:14:59,839
the navy is

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the army is and he told me flat out we

452
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,800
are we created an entire new branch of

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the military to deal with this

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00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:09,360
so now you've got the idea of space law

455
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,480
but then

456
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:12,720
militarizing space too i mean did you

457
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watch the

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the netflix series that came out i

459
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didn't i had high hopes for it but i was

460
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turned off because of all the negative

461
00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:21,040
comments about it but

462
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:23,760
uh it was i liked it i actually i

463
00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:25,519
watched the whole thing um

464
00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:27,680
it was cheesy at first but it actually

465
00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:29,759
got pretty deep and interesting

466
00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:31,680
and it did show you kind of like all

467
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right new branch of the military

468
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:37,040
how do we how do we make ourselves known

469
00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:38,079
how do we make ourselves

470
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important enough to get um the military

471
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:42,959
budget we need as the new

472
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air force space force so i thought that

473
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was pretty interesting you know they

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were

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training for uh battles on the moon

476
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or um you know what would happen if we

477
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got there and china already

478
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:56,079
had something there that we didn't know

479
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about and how do you deal with these

480
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sort of things so

481
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:00,240
you know for as much as it might have

482
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been cheesy and um a comedy i thought

483
00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:04,160
they brought up some really interesting

484
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stuff

485
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:06,720
that maybe will come true someday i

486
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don't know

487
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:11,199
yeah we'll see um we'll see i'm i'm

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hopeful

489
00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:15,120
i am too i am too well everyone go check

490
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:16,720
out the latest episode of the unknown

491
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podcast

492
00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:19,839
to learn more about space law it's very

493
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:20,839
interesting

494
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:23,440
um but let's see what else do we got

495
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:24,480
jason we've got um

496
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,759
oh the uap task force now this is

497
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something that we've known about for a

498
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:31,680
while now it's been making headlines

499
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:34,720
all across the world um so yeah man what

500
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:35,440
do you think

501
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:38,720
i know you're kind of on the side of uh

502
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you don't think this bill is gonna pass

503
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:44,000
necessarily uh if i'm mistaken um

504
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,079
please correct me but um a lot of people

505
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,480
think it's gonna pass with flying colors

506
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,399
some think it's not going to happen and

507
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:51,680
we're talking about the senate

508
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intelligence

509
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:55,600
bill not necessarily the uap task force

510
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,560
that's happening

511
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,399
but um right let's go back for a minute

512
00:17:00,710 --> 00:17:00,079
to the um the bill what do you make of

513
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,720
this bill

514
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:02,240
and is it going to happen what do you

515
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:04,160
think well that's the thing

516
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:07,760
i mean we everything we know

517
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:11,839
about the uh task force

518
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:14,079
is really nothing at all you know we've

519
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:15,120
been given

520
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:17,839
a sentence or two directly from the

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pentagon

522
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,919
and that tells us some some general

523
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,880
things about

524
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,240
what they're going to do i mean they

525
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:26,799
want to understand ufos better

526
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,840
but we still don't know what exactly

527
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:31,280
they're going to do how they're going to

528
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:32,240
do that

529
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,679
if they're going to work with other

530
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:35,679
agencies we just know that it's going to

531
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:37,200
be led by the navy

532
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:39,520
and that's really it when it comes to

533
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:40,400
the task force

534
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,000
everything else that people are assuming

535
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:46,559
the task force is going to do is based

536
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,520
on the

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00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,880
intelligence authorization act for

538
00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:50,640
fiscal year 2021

539
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:53,679
that has been attached to another bill

540
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,039
that still has yet

541
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,840
to to pass the house um and we'll see if

542
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,960
that does

543
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:01,120
uh the the likelihood that it will pass

544
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,480
is has gone up

545
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:04,880
but still because this was attached as

546
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:06,160
an amendment

547
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:09,280
uh we don't really we can't really see

548
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:12,320
the the final wording that was attached

549
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:14,480
so we don't know if a lot of the

550
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:18,080
uh stuff about the the requested report

551
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,799
about ufos the assessment of ufos is

552
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:22,000
even included and

553
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:24,240
if it is if it's been changed at all

554
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:25,760
from what we initially saw

555
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:28,160
in the original comments listed with the

556
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,919
intelligence authorization act

557
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,520
so again we're just doing a lot of

558
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:33,200
assuming and

559
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:36,480
in that that is where we get the comment

560
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:39,840
about information being collected or

561
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,720
being given for this report by the task

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00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:43,840
force

563
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:48,799
specifically is doing

564
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,880
and people keep talking about the task

565
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:52,480
force as this big thing that's going to

566
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:53,360
be this

567
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:55,039
open government giving all the

568
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:56,640
information to the public

569
00:19:00,630 --> 00:19:00,080
again we don't have any concrete

570
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,640
evidence

571
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,880
that that is going to be the case that's

572
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,240
all coming again

573
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,400
from the comments that were listed in

574
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:07,919
this bill

575
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,559
that say that this report being

576
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:11,760
requested

577
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,799
will be they want to they want a

578
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,799
an unclassified version of the report

579
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:18,240
submitted

580
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:21,360
that's nice that doesn't mean we want to

581
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,559
broadcast

582
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,000
something in a press release to the

583
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,320
public it just means it's unclassified

584
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,559
there are lots of things unclassified

585
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:29,840
you know

586
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:31,600
most things related to ufos are

587
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,480
unclassified but it takes people

588
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:37,360
like john greenwald doing strategic and

589
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:38,720
crafty digging

590
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:41,840
with cleverly worded foia requests to

591
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:42,160
get

592
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,520
those unclassified files released so

593
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:47,520
again we don't have any guarantee or

594
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,799
even a mention

595
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,120
that we're getting information from the

596
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,840
task force released to the public

597
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,760
we just go back to the intelligence

598
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:57,440
authorization act

599
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:00,799
in the request for a ufo report and that

600
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:03,039
report is supposed to be given in an

601
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:04,480
unclassified form

602
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:05,840
so everything after that is just

603
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,159
speculation exactly

604
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:11,280
exactly um well okay so moving to the

605
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:12,080
task force

606
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,760
i guess um what do you what do you think

607
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:17,520
are we gonna get anything i mean again

608
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,840
that unclassified part of this is where

609
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,919
we're all excited hopefully maybe we'll

610
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:23,600
get some new videos

611
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:26,159
um you know luis elizondo tom long have

612
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,360
sort of teased like

613
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,120
there's more to come in terms of like

614
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,960
what we're going to be releasing

615
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,960
uh whether it's through the new york

616
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,640
times working with them

617
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,720
or uh their television show whatever it

618
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,240
might be um

619
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,440
what is this is this project blue book

620
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,120
as someone mentioned in the chat

621
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:45,520
2.0 or um you think we're actually going

622
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,000
to get some information out of this

623
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,280
so i mean i i would like to i would like

624
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,200
to see project blue book 2.0

625
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,880
but from what we've heard of the task

626
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:56,480
force is completely different

627
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,000
this isn't a cast your net wide

628
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:02,159
type situation where they're looking

629
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,440
into

630
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,840
um you know citing reports from the

631
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,720
public

632
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,440
from even the faa or commercial

633
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,640
airliners

634
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,880
commercial pilots this is this is

635
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,799
specifically looking at the military

636
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,320
uh primarily there's hints that it's

637
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,679
looking at other things as well but it's

638
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:18,799
primarily looking at

639
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,039
military sightings and incursions over

640
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:22,960
military installations

641
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,880
and specifically focused on the navy so

642
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,120
it's far from blue book in that it's

643
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,640
it's not casting a wide net

644
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,640
it doesn't really seem to be wanting to

645
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:34,640
take in a full picture

646
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:38,080
of the ufo mystery um i hope that's not

647
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,120
the case and i

648
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,960
my biggest hope here and the biggest

649
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,240
positive that

650
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,000
i got excited about with the

651
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,159
intelligence authorization act

652
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,640
um the comments and the request for the

653
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:49,679
report

654
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,120
was this desire seeming desire

655
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,840
that they want to improve communication

656
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,039
they want

657
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,960
all these different agencies to

658
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,159
communicate on this

659
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,159
issue and share information that's

660
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,000
something that doesn't happen

661
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,159
and obviously if you want to get any

662
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,080
sort of answers related to this

663
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,720
you need to be sharing information but

664
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,919
you're dealing with branches of the

665
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,840
military branches of the military all

666
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:15,360
have their secrets they've got all of

667
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,000
their

668
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,200
you know individual uh you know

669
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,960
projects they're working on they're

670
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,960
they're not necessarily going to

671
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,960
be very excited to share all that with

672
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:26,480
other branches i mean yes we're all on

673
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,280
the same team

674
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,440
but at the same time they're their own

675
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,480
branches and

676
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,280
that's number one so it'll be

677
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,559
interesting to see i want to see the

678
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,679
communication lines

679
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,640
improve i want to see them establish you

680
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,159
know a formal way

681
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,840
of these different organizations

682
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:43,280
communicating with each other sharing

683
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,400
that information

684
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,280
and assigning somebody to head that up

685
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,120
to be responsible for making sure this

686
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,640
information gets shared

687
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,559
and then you know hopefully we can get

688
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,400
some answers from that but

689
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,960
it's a long shot been down this road

690
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,080
before

691
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,480
and that's something that frustrates me

692
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,760
with the task force i mean i hope

693
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,200
they're they're looking at history and

694
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,039
seeing what has been done before

695
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,200
seeing what didn't work before and

696
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,200
trying to overcome those hurdles

697
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,000
and get beyond uh you know what blue

698
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,919
book accomplished

699
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,000
i mean that there are lots of roadblocks

700
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,520
here and i i hope they can

701
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,720
they can achieve something that's

702
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,280
worthwhile but as you know ryan

703
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,919
i always say i support people doing all

704
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,080
the things all the time so good on them

705
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:29,120
of transparency too i mean this is

706
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,880
an opportunity for the public to trust

707
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,400
our government again when it comes to

708
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:35,520
this topic

709
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,640
so um i'm hoping that we can build that

710
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,320
relationship again i think that's what

711
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,159
people like luis elizondo

712
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,799
are trying to do is like show the public

713
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,559
that you can trust the government

714
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,880
you can trust the military completely

715
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:50,640
never never going to happen but

716
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:53,600
um it's a start and i think the other

717
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,240
really

718
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:56,080
good thing you brought up is this idea

719
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,279
of um

720
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:59,279
the intelligence agencies kind of coming

721
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,400
together and

722
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,080
figuring this out together rather than

723
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:05,120
stovepiping and having different agendas

724
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,320
in terms of what they're going to do

725
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,640
with this information or how it can be

726
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,400
implemented into certain

727
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:12,320
branches of the military or stuff like

728
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,520
that so um

729
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,600
yeah if anything hopefully this will

730
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,960
build a trust between us

731
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,720
and a government who a lot of people

732
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:20,799
think have lied to them for 70 plus

733
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,600
years

734
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,840
on the ufo topic so yeah we'll see what

735
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:24,880
happens

736
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,440
we'll see but it is interesting you know

737
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,039
the the push

738
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,880
to change the change the narrative

739
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,559
change the mindset when it comes to

740
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,400
military and ufos

741
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,159
yet some of the people leading that

742
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,320
charge are saying

743
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,080
look the military screwed all this up

744
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,840
the military's hiding all this

745
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,000
information

746
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:49,120
military what didn't work you know when

747
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,240
it came to this effort

748
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,279
so we love the military yet military's

749
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:54,559
good let's get back and have the

750
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:55,440
military

751
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,960
facilitate all of this yeah i love this

752
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,080
by audrey

753
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,159
um she says perhaps the release of new

754
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:03,520
information will come in the form of the

755
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:03,840
new

756
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,440
animated x-files comedy

757
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,760
you do those of you who don't know jason

758
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:11,679
was the first to actually pick this up

759
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,320
and uh put it out to the twitter sphere

760
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,440
from what i saw

761
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:18,000
um fox is possibly developing an

762
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,120
animated

763
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,840
x-files show jason what do you think man

764
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,799
are you gonna watch it

765
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,640
uh what what can we expect from this i

766
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,480
know it's super early

767
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,919
well if it does come to fruition um

768
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,080
of course i'll watch it um how many

769
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,320
episodes that's that's to be seen

770
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,960
but you know going into it again with

771
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:38,559
anything ufos you have to know what

772
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,200
you're going

773
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,320
into from the start and you know if it's

774
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,600
not something

775
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,120
knowing what you know going into it if

776
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:46,559
it's not something that would ordinarily

777
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,679
appeal to you

778
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,960
don't bother with it you're just going

779
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,120
to be frustrated but

780
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,600
you know i think if you've been in the

781
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,360
ufo field long enough

782
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,640
um and i i don't know you just learned

783
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,400
to not not take yourself

784
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,559
too seriously first of all number two

785
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,600
don't take

786
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:06,080
the the subject of ufos too seriously

787
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,880
yes it's a

788
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,640
serious issue but you've got to be able

789
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,000
to laugh at it too and have some

790
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,440
fun i mean this is not only our our

791
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,279
serious passion but it's also our

792
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,360
entertainment it's a subject that we're

793
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,520
passionate about it's a subject we like

794
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,919
so i like it in entertainment form as

795
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,799
well

796
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,880
now when it comes to the x-files

797
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:25,919
animated show

798
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,559
it sounds like it could be really bad

799
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:29,360
because

800
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:32,559
this is the way they build it is these

801
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:33,200
are like

802
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,039
flunky agents who take the cases that

803
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,880
like even mulder won't take

804
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,200
so it sounds like it's going to be

805
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:42,480
really bad

806
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,000
but i like the x-files i like ufos i

807
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,760
like paranormal stuff so

808
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,679
i'll give it a chance i need some

809
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,279
mindless humor these days

810
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:54,320
we all do we all do and you know if um

811
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,480
if the simpsons episode uh the uh

812
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:01,039
what is it um horror nights or whatever

813
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,760
they do

814
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,679
um treehouse of horror there we have

815
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,799
some horror uh

816
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,960
their x-files episode was freaking

817
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,200
awesome so if it's anything like that

818
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:12,720
i'm totally gonna watch um i i

819
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,760
hey um gary voorhees says the

820
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,399
the um what was it the reboot of the

821
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,399
x-files was horrible so he doesn't have

822
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,440
much pain

823
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,159
in whatever comes next uh i'd have to

824
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,440
agree with gary on that one

825
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:26,880
unfortunately but um

826
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,760
i guess moving on to the main event of

827
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:31,679
the day what we're here to really talk

828
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,159
about

829
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,679
man we've been going for almost 28

830
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:35,279
minutes now and we haven't even touched

831
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,080
on it so

832
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,520
let's do it we'll have to wait till next

833
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,640
time yeah to be continued bye guys

834
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:43,279
um yeah yeah we're gonna be talking

835
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,080
about

836
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:46,000
the alien autopsy let's see if this

837
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,200
works

838
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:50,080
oh there we go i see it good job ryan

839
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,799
awesome

840
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,279
technology i'm trying to get better at

841
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,559
it um

842
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,200
this these images probably bring back

843
00:28:03,029 --> 00:27:59,440
nightmares to a lot of you like it did

844
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:03,039
me this is from the alien autopsy film

845
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:07,840
uh originally aired on fox in 1995

846
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:10,960
uh with host jonathan frakes i believe

847
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:11,440
it was

848
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,480
from our channel yeah yeah dude i don't

849
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:16,640
remember so 95

850
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,320
um i was 12 at the time

851
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:23,200
and i had just had my ufo sighting like

852
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:24,000
months prior

853
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:27,039
oh wow this thing coming out so i was

854
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,480
still

855
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:31,520
i know and i was terrified man when i

856
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,559
first saw it

857
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,399
um i remember sitting down with my

858
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,080
parents um

859
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:38,240
you know talking to my dad about like

860
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,120
ufos

861
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,279
and we have to watch this thing tonight

862
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,440
and we started watching it in like

863
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,760
20 minutes in i was like too scared to

864
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:46,960
keep watching it

865
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:50,080
yeah dude definitely it's like it's like

866
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,559
um

867
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,720
when jfk was shot and we learned the

868
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:54,799
news i have to ask jason

869
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:57,760
where were you when the alien autopsy

870
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,320
first

871
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:00,960
uh came into your your personal

872
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:03,919
zeitgeist i guess

873
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,080
so i re i was in high school

874
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,120
but i remember it was big news it really

875
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,520
was i mean it it

876
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:16,080
made this random splash and i remember

877
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:17,600
seeing them teasing it

878
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,720
in the the periodic uh

879
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,880
teases for the the like nine o'clock

880
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,200
news or whatever they talk about

881
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,799
how they were going to be talking about

882
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:28,720
the alien autopsy coming up on the nine

883
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,600
o'clock news

884
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,520
and and there were commercials leading

885
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:33,039
up to it i don't remember how far in

886
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,480
advance but i remember seeing it i saw

887
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,559
what the hell is this alien autopsy are

888
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,360
you kidding

889
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,240
and it was being presented as this big

890
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,000
event that was taking place

891
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,640
and it was real and and people were very

892
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:45,760
serious about it

893
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,440
um yeah i thought

894
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,799
i don't know i was 15 so i guess i

895
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,720
didn't think i was drunk but it was

896
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,080
weird it was like an

897
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,600
alternate reality i was like what's

898
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,760
going on but um

899
00:30:00,950 --> 00:30:00,399
yeah i just remember how big big of a

900
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:00,960
deal

901
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:04,000
the media was making it yeah yeah and i

902
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,799
mean

903
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,960
let's i i guess we should kind of dive

904
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,000
into the whole story

905
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,159
behind this because there's a lot to it

906
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,720
it's a little convoluted but um

907
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,559
i i should also mention i think i

908
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:16,240
mentioned this on my last stream

909
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:19,520
um i actually i recorded this fox

910
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,240
special

911
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:22,480
off of our vcr back in those days when

912
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:23,440
you could do that

913
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,799
and um i brought it into school uh

914
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,799
eventually and yeah i brought it into

915
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,559
school and it was the time of the year

916
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,640
where like the teachers were checked out

917
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,039
they like you know they they would do

918
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,200
anything to just not teach

919
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:40,159
and i was like pop this in the vcr let's

920
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,039
watch this

921
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,600
and the minute i put it on like half the

922
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,320
class was like glued to the tv watching

923
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:49,120
and uh half the class was like scared i

924
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,320
remember this one girl

925
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,279
liz i won't say her last name but uh she

926
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,640
was petrified

927
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,320
after we started watching it she was

928
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:58,159
crying she left the room went to the

929
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,120
bathroom

930
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:01,039
came back and said she got sick because

931
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,399
of uh watching this

932
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,880
this alien autopsy and my teacher never

933
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,080
forgave me for that

934
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:08,080
uh i never i didn't forewarn her on what

935
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,200
it was and uh

936
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,039
but hey she let us watch the entire

937
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,960
thing so that's her fault um

938
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:14,559
but yeah those are my memories of the

939
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,840
original airing of this thing but um

940
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,480
let's talk a little about

941
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,960
how it all came to be now we know it was

942
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:24,000
a hoax

943
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,149
uh that you know um

944
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,320
i lost you again there you are he's back

945
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:35,840
um we know that this was made

946
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,720
in england so what do you know about the

947
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,640
timeline of all this jason i've got kind

948
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,159
of the bullet points here but

949
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,320
um ray sent tilly let's start there with

950
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,559
this dude

951
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,919
yeah so ray was a london businessman and

952
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:50,320
he

953
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:56,880
was in

954
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,080
cleveland ohio and he was looking for

955
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,960
like archive footage of elvis and other

956
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,799
rock and roll stars i guess

957
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,880
and that's what he found this cameraman

958
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,840
and

959
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:10,159
he claims that the film that he got from

960
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,200
this guy

961
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,360
showed the autopsy of a dead alien

962
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:15,120
recovered from the crash

963
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:19,440
in roswell new mexico in 1947. so

964
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,840
he uh contacted this guy named spiros

965
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,640
and sparos was a filmmaker and ray

966
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:28,880
wanted to make a documentary

967
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:33,039
um about this footage of a real autopsy

968
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,480
of an alien

969
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:37,039
and spiros wasn't having it at first

970
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,919
because

971
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:40,559
he claims that when he went to meet with

972
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,360
with ray

973
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,640
santilli ray showed him the footage and

974
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:47,279
spearos was like are you kidding me

975
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:48,000
because

976
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,840
again ray was presenting this as it

977
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,360
being this re real

978
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,760
film and everything and razel um this

979
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:56,640
was obviously shot on video and it just

980
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,120
like

981
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,360
caught rey off guard that sparrows could

982
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:00,799
tell this right away and he's all

983
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,240
[\h__\h] the jig is up so experos left and

984
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,000
you know thought it was done

985
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,880
but he talked to his friend john

986
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,760
humphries

987
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,760
who's a sculptor really talented

988
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,880
sculptor

989
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,919
and they decided that uh you know

990
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,080
doing this might open doors for them

991
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,840
they had ambitions of like working for

992
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,600
hollywood movies and stuff like that

993
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,720
they thought this would get great

994
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,519
exposure so they decided to do it

995
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:28,320
so so they did and really spiros is the

996
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:29,120
one who

997
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,039
who did almost everything for this film

998
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,360
um you know he he designed and directed

999
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,720
the film he was the cameraman

1000
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,519
on it his girlfriend did most of the

1001
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,880
research for the film and there was a

1002
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,120
lot of research that went into this film

1003
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:45,120
making sure that you know everything you

1004
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,240
see in the film

1005
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,720
is period correct you know from the

1006
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,480
clock to the telephone to the

1007
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,559
instruments that the doctors use

1008
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,480
to the procedures that the doctors are

1009
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,679
doing uh

1010
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,960
a lot of research went into it

1011
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:58,399
apparently that was that was his

1012
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,039
girlfriend

1013
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,640
who did that she also played the role of

1014
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,480
the nurse in the film

1015
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,880
and the set was built in her apartment

1016
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,640
or in her house in london it was being

1017
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,159
renovated and they had like an empty

1018
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:09,839
floor so they built a set

1019
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,960
right in her house so you know they

1020
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:14,960
put this thing together and and john

1021
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:17,760
humphreys created the the alien he

1022
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:20,960
molded it um from his 10 year old son

1023
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,079
and this this thing came together they

1024
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,240
they made their film and uh yeah came

1025
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,000
out in uh

1026
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,440
yeah 95 95. and um

1027
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,919
i think we let's put this thing into

1028
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,320
numbers

1029
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,440
now besides the zabruder film and uh

1030
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,679
the patterson gimlin bigfoot this is

1031
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,839
probably in the top three

1032
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,040
video uh hoaxes i mean

1033
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:49,599
they're not hoaxes the jfk assassination

1034
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,639
was not a hoax

1035
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,639
it might have been a conspiracy um and

1036
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,639
same with gimlin we don't know but uh

1037
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,560
in terms of controversial videos out to

1038
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:58,079
the public this is like one of the top

1039
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,560
three

1040
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:01,200
over two billion people have watched

1041
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,160
this footage

1042
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,400
um we've watched it three times already

1043
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:05,599
just in this stream

1044
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,359
um but your your history is great on

1045
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:11,040
this jason you know the guy who made the

1046
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:11,920
alien

1047
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:15,200
um spiros the filmmaker the he is an

1048
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,320
interesting guy

1049
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,520
and i've been listening to a lot of

1050
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,520
interviews with him lately um

1051
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,200
this guy is a magician like a

1052
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,720
professional magician

1053
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,680
and he used a lot of those techniques in

1054
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,960
making this film

1055
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,800
you know you look over here while we do

1056
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,680
this or your mind is thinking this well

1057
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:34,000
and um you mentioned the research and i

1058
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:35,119
thought that was one of the most

1059
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,400
fascinating parts

1060
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,240
of all of this the way they created the

1061
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,640
alien is they created an entire

1062
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:43,200
backstory to this alien where it came

1063
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,160
from why

1064
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:47,520
why it had six toes and six um

1065
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,400
fingers and uh i think it's amazing that

1066
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,520
they went to these

1067
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,760
lengths to try to fool the public and

1068
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,119
that was their goal

1069
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:57,359
was to see if people would believe this

1070
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:58,240
um

1071
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,599
so i thought that was really interesting

1072
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:01,280
too the amount of research that went

1073
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,920
into this

1074
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:03,359
this dead alien that we're seeing

1075
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,960
getting cut up

1076
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:07,200
so they actually made two films too

1077
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,000
there were two

1078
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,160
two alien autopsy talk about that yeah

1079
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:11,520
yeah would you mind covering that a

1080
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,320
little

1081
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,599
sure so yeah i mean after they shot the

1082
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,640
first one

1083
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,880
um spiros's girlfriend apparently

1084
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,880
noticed a couple mistakes

1085
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,480
in some of the the medical procedures

1086
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,160
that they were doing so

1087
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,720
wanted it to be redone so they made

1088
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:27,680
another

1089
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:31,119
second alien and

1090
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:35,040
in the second alien the foam latex used

1091
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,760
to

1092
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,160
fill the dummy didn't work right it

1093
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,760
developed an air bubble and left this

1094
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,760
hollow space in the leg

1095
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:44,079
and so on the second one that's why you

1096
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:44,800
have this leg

1097
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:48,000
injury and they just like filled that

1098
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,880
with some

1099
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,040
bone and other stuff from animals and

1100
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,720
then took a blow torch to it

1101
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,680
and made it look like a burned area and

1102
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,200
there you have a leg injury

1103
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,040
so that was in the in the second one not

1104
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:00,720
the first one so

1105
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,150
but um rodrigo asks here about do you

1106
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,680
have any insights about the debris

1107
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:10,960
footage that came along

1108
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:14,000
with the alien autopsy now um from what

1109
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,640
i remember

1110
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:18,000
this was part of the the spheros one

1111
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:19,280
right

1112
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,599
yeah so um i think

1113
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,960
i'm trying to remember i think john

1114
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,280
humphreys also designed all that stuff

1115
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,200
yeah i think so too again this is so

1116
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,079
convoluted this entire story there was

1117
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,320
you know the original footage and then

1118
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,160
there was the um the tent footage

1119
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:38,079
and then there was this and then the

1120
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,440
remake and this and that

1121
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,400
and the funny thing too is uh ray

1122
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,320
santilli we mentioned the guy who

1123
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,520
kind of put this whole idea together to

1124
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:49,680
sell alien autopsy footage

1125
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:52,880
to um networks and whatnot uh

1126
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,000
he claimed that he had

1127
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,800
he got the footage from a military

1128
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,599
person

1129
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:02,079
who uh gave it to him and he kind of

1130
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,640
stands

1131
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,680
to that to this day that oh yeah i have

1132
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,520
the original footage yes this is a

1133
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:09,599
remake but um i have the original

1134
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,320
footage

1135
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,960
but from what i can tell is we've seen

1136
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:14,560
the original footage now

1137
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,000
and that's what made ray uh made spiro

1138
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,040
say this is a piece of [\h__\h] and

1139
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,880
this is horrible no one's gonna believe

1140
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,640
it we have to remake this

1141
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:28,000
um so yeah there's again i'm trying to

1142
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,520
like piece all this together there's so

1143
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:31,280
many different versions of this film

1144
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,760
than

1145
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:34,160
what we saw on fox and all across the

1146
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,040
world

1147
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,359
well and you know spirits wanted to that

1148
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,400
the idea

1149
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,359
the original idea was for them and and

1150
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,040
one of the reasons bureaus got behind it

1151
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,720
and john humphries as well

1152
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,960
is that the idea was to create this

1153
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:48,000
original film

1154
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:51,359
fool everybody and then later release a

1155
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,920
sort of

1156
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,720
how we did it video right to show the

1157
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,160
world how they did it

1158
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:59,200
um because it is really really you know

1159
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,640
especially for the time it was really

1160
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:02,960
well done to create this period piece

1161
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:06,400
um it's pretty remarkable what they

1162
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,119
accomplished

1163
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,000
with that tiny set and one alien and uh

1164
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:12,000
yeah it was kind of fun

1165
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,440
but uh then ray decided that

1166
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,839
he couldn't do that because he he the

1167
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,960
story he kept

1168
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,480
giving spearows was that he needed to

1169
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,800
recoup his money well yeah little did

1170
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,680
sparrows know

1171
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,839
this guy was making money uh left and

1172
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,359
right so

1173
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:30,320
it's very special by an nda so he

1174
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:30,880
couldn't

1175
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,640
he felt comfortable

1176
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,839
speaking after the 2006 warner brothers

1177
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,240
movie came out called alien autopsy

1178
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:43,520
that ray santilli did yeah because it

1179
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:43,839
was

1180
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,280
and around that time

1181
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,760
ray started talking publicly too about

1182
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,560
the whole thing

1183
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,240
so yeah that's when sparrows came

1184
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,480
forward and and basically told the

1185
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,200
entire story of it right and now you've

1186
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:59,119
got these conflicting stories by both of

1187
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,520
them

1188
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:02,640
uh from what i can tell uh the spiros

1189
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,040
guy

1190
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,680
is his story seems to check out i mean

1191
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:06,960
everything from

1192
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:10,240
you know showing how they made

1193
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:10,880
everything

1194
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,599
and um and ray santilli comes out of

1195
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:15,119
this thing not looking too good because

1196
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,400
like you mentioned

1197
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,760
um the the the idea was like you said to

1198
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,599
make a documentary about how they made

1199
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,200
it how they fooled the world

1200
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:25,119
and that's what sparos wanted to do

1201
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,240
little did he know

1202
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:29,200
that um santilli was going and selling

1203
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,920
this footage

1204
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:32,079
all around the world except for in the

1205
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,960
uk

1206
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,800
where spiros would find out that he was

1207
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,280
doing this because the deal was

1208
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,480
um we're going to give it for free

1209
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,119
to the news in the uk and see what they

1210
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,720
do with it and that was the deal they

1211
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,359
made

1212
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,960
and they did that they gave it to the

1213
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:48,960
media in the uk for free

1214
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,760
um but little did sparrows know santilli

1215
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,119
was going all over the world

1216
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:56,079
in selling this and said here's the

1217
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,880
footage

1218
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,119
do what you want make a special

1219
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,440
investigate it um do your thing

1220
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,359
and making all this money and spiros had

1221
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,280
no idea that he was doing this

1222
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,359
uh and he also didn't know that a movie

1223
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,480
was being made

1224
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,560
by warner brothers on the making of this

1225
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:12,800
film and sparrows was left out of that

1226
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,359
as well

1227
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,560
so um i feel horrible for this guy

1228
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,640
like yeah he didn't help in fooling the

1229
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,280
world but like he's a magician he does

1230
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,400
that for a living

1231
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,880
and he poured his heart and soul into

1232
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,240
making this thing

1233
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,720
and it fooled the world but he saw

1234
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,680
nothing from it

1235
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,319
he made no money off of it he got duped

1236
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,359
by the guy who

1237
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,000
kind of spearheaded this whole thing and

1238
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:38,319
uh i guess the rest is history

1239
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,160
yeah yeah yeah and we also have um

1240
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,319
philip mantle one of um the researchers

1241
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,359
in the uk

1242
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,359
uh involved with all this too are you

1243
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,960
are you familiar with philip mantle and

1244
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,000
his work jason and

1245
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,280
i absolutely am i absolutely am and

1246
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,280
you know i direct anybody to philip

1247
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,640
mantle to

1248
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,440
you know hear the full story about this

1249
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:01,440
um he's done so much research into it

1250
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,319
he's you know

1251
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,400
interviewed all these people and met

1252
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,599
with them personally

1253
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,520
and continues to follow the case i mean

1254
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,880
philip is the guy

1255
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,280
uh you know to follow for this and you

1256
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,640
know we certainly had him

1257
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,960
write stuff for us at open minds uh you

1258
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,319
know covering this story

1259
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,480
and yeah his his research is awesome on

1260
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,240
this whole case

1261
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,200
and i um i i should say that the whole

1262
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,119
impetus for this live stream today and

1263
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,119
this episode on the alien autopsy

1264
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:29,280
was because i just watched a documentary

1265
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,400
series

1266
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,640
that philip mantle made with the

1267
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,800
documentary crew about this entire

1268
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,359
affair so um if anyone is interested in

1269
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:39,280
watching that and hearing the expanded

1270
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,319
version of all this

1271
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:42,240
i believe it's called alien autopsy the

1272
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,520
search for answers

1273
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:46,000
uh it's very well done and it goes

1274
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,040
through all of this

1275
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:49,040
you know step by step that's what brings

1276
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,480
us to current day

1277
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,520
all right so jason i know nothing about

1278
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,520
this part i'm gonna admit i know there

1279
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:57,760
were emails that were part of the whole

1280
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,280
you know admiral wilson leaks and emails

1281
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:03,839
and eric davis blah blah blah

1282
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,880
yeah let's if you can give us the

1283
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:08,880
concise version of how cake

1284
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:11,680
kit green is involved with this and um

1285
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,000
why

1286
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,000
the alien autopsy is back in the news

1287
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,480
today yeah and that's really all i can

1288
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,319
give because you know i don't i don't

1289
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,960
bother to follow most of this anyway but

1290
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,200
yeah it does does go back to

1291
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,240
really eric davis memos and eric davis

1292
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,599
memos being

1293
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,680
revealed to the public from edgar

1294
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,800
mitchell's estate

1295
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,560
and this is just another one of those

1296
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:33,839
and this is from a

1297
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:37,119
a 2001 memo that davis

1298
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,839
sent to robert bigelow and colin

1299
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,640
kelleher

1300
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,119
about comments from kit green and kate

1301
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,680
green is a former cia scientist

1302
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,160
and green apparently claimed that he was

1303
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:49,599
briefed at the pentagon

1304
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,680
about an alien autopsy and shown photos

1305
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,520
that he says were consistent with

1306
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,000
santilli's alien autopsy video

1307
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:01,760
so he believed that the film was genuine

1308
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:04,960
now this has been buzzing lately because

1309
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,760
allegedly and i say allegedly because i

1310
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,440
haven't seen confirmation of this they

1311
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,560
just know it's been

1312
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:13,440
been talked about so i can't verify it

1313
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,319
but allegedly

1314
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,800
green now believes that he was being

1315
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,400
played by the pentagon

1316
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:21,359
being fed disinformation so i think that

1317
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,079
opinion has

1318
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:25,520
changed so that's the word around the

1319
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:26,000
block

1320
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,760
but uh yeah that's that's why this all

1321
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,760
came in came into discussion talking

1322
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:32,160
about this crappy alien autopsy film

1323
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,359
because of the eric davis memos so yeah

1324
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:38,319
yeah and you know ryan ryan none of this

1325
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,440
matters because

1326
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,000
it's so ridiculous again because the

1327
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,520
alien autopsy film to me

1328
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,760
is very much like billy meyer photos

1329
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,560
right because

1330
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,640
billy admitted that his photos weren't

1331
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,640
real because the men in black

1332
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,960
switched out his film with with fake

1333
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,160
reproductions

1334
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:56,079
but with the alien autopsy film ray

1335
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,359
santilli

1336
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,400
he did essentially admit in 2006

1337
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,040
that the film isn't real that he he

1338
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,200
claims the the real film was

1339
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,400
so badly damaged that it was unusable

1340
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:11,520
so they shot this recreation

1341
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,040
of what was allegedly on the film so

1342
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,480
saying what you see is fake we recreated

1343
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,560
what was real but that is fake

1344
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,440
so yes the alien autopsy film is fake

1345
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:25,200
but you know what i'm i'm super excited

1346
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,000
because and

1347
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,760
this has been a long time in the making

1348
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,200
but spiros is

1349
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,920
is still working on his tell-all book

1350
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:32,640
he's gonna

1351
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,839
get a reveal everything you know down to

1352
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,119
the back story that you were talking

1353
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,800
about how they came up with

1354
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:41,119
you know the back story for this this uh

1355
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,160
et

1356
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:45,040
um and every step of the process of of

1357
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,760
how they did

1358
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,920
everything and how they they fooled

1359
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,040
everybody so

1360
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,319
i mean that's a book i'm definitely

1361
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,560
going to read absolutely i think it

1362
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:53,839
actually released

1363
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,920
releases this week if i'm not mistaken

1364
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,240
yeah spears is on he's on facebook so

1365
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,079
you can reach out to this guy

1366
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,920
um i highly suggest people do it he

1367
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:05,440
seems like a cool dude

1368
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,560
and hey he created one of the biggest

1369
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,160
hoaxes of all time

1370
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:12,480
and uh you know if that doesn't give him

1371
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,280
some uh

1372
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,240
some clout in the uh the magician's

1373
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,000
alliance or what have you

1374
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,920
then i don't know what will let's be

1375
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,680
honest he's probably outdone every

1376
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,560
magician he's

1377
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,599
ever worked with the best

1378
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,880
best magic trick ever yep yep is to fool

1379
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,680
the public

1380
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,800
and to keep the ufo community hungry

1381
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,440
for that truth they want so bad but um

1382
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,800
jason this has been

1383
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,800
awesome brother i'm glad uh you know

1384
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,720
despite our technical glitches

1385
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,400
uh we're gonna clean this up it will be

1386
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:44,000
available as the audio version of

1387
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,359
somewhere in the skies

1388
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:48,240
very soon but um it's always a pleasure

1389
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,800
my man

1390
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,960
to chat with you i'm happy we finally

1391
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,720
got to hear each other's stories

1392
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,720
about uh how we first saw the alien

1393
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,160
autopsy but

1394
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,880
yeah before we go what are you up to

1395
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,400
what can we expect over at

1396
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,400
unknown in everything you're doing at

1397
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:04,160
rogue planet

1398
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,359
well you know now after this

1399
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,359
conversation i want to do an episode

1400
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,480
about the alien autopsy because

1401
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,480
thinking back to to my days at open

1402
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,680
minds i've got uh

1403
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,400
got some other tie-ins there because you

1404
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,839
know we had some pretty good

1405
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,440
connections to some people who were

1406
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,520
involved with that film and uh

1407
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,160
you know including one of my former

1408
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:25,440
co-workers

1409
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:28,240
actually saw the first version of the

1410
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,200
video

1411
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,079
really one yeah so i might have to get

1412
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,079
into that more on an episode of unknown

1413
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:36,800
so you're giving me an idea there but

1414
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,280
yeah

1415
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,880
the the biggest thing i'm working on now

1416
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,319
i'm working on my next book

1417
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,960
i'm not ready to to shed details on that

1418
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,760
yet

1419
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:46,160
but uh another book is in the works uh

1420
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,119
making progress

1421
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,640
slowly on that but certainly more

1422
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,599
progress than i have for a long time so

1423
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,599
another book it's hopefully coming by

1424
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,960
the end of the year

1425
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,440
i know that feeling well my man um well

1426
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,359
before we go i do have a really good

1427
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:01,440
question here from rodrigo he asks jason

1428
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,079
ryan

1429
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,400
do you want disclosure or do you enjoy

1430
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,160
the ufo mystery as

1431
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,920
it is this is a question we get a lot

1432
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,400
like do we actually as ufo researchers

1433
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,000
want that truth we've been seeking all

1434
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,920
along um or is it the journey that

1435
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,200
matters so yeah jason

1436
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,030
i think this is a great question and i

1437
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:22,400
think it's one that can't really be

1438
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,119
answered

1439
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,280
because disclosure is such a complex

1440
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,520
thing and a confusing one at that

1441
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:30,319
because in my opinion there isn't a

1442
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,520
single answer

1443
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:34,079
right and i don't think anybody has a

1444
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,280
single answer

1445
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,480
or multiple answers

1446
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:41,359
that would definitively end you know

1447
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,160
what

1448
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:44,640
are our quests our individual quests i

1449
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,359
think

1450
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,119
if the government does make some

1451
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,440
announcement and reveal some information

1452
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,079
about something they might know or about

1453
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:54,160
even about a a specific race of

1454
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:55,520
extraterrestrials

1455
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,720
um a certain civilization that that

1456
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,160
doesn't end everything

1457
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,319
you know and in fact that might just

1458
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,790
signal a start of a brand new quest for

1459
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,200
us um and fuel the fire

1460
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,680
because you know we know the the

1461
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,280
universe is infinite and i believe that

1462
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:15,599
life in the universe is also infinite

1463
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,119
so uh just because we have one person or

1464
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,800
one group giving us

1465
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,800
one answer that doesn't answer

1466
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,160
everything in the universe

1467
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:26,079
and it's that uh that quest for the

1468
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:27,359
unknowns in the universe that keeps us

1469
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,160
going

1470
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,800
absolutely i couldn't agree more i think

1471
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,400
the the journey is

1472
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,640
way more rewarding than the destination

1473
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,680
because we're never

1474
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,960
i don't think we're ever gonna solve the

1475
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,119
ufo mystery um there's probably a

1476
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,960
million different answers to it

1477
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,880
and it's probably far weirder and

1478
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,520
stranger than we ever could imagine

1479
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,160
but hey look we're uh we're living in an

1480
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,359
age where we're

1481
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,920
getting acknowledgement by our

1482
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,559
governments

1483
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,839
and that's more than we've had in a

1484
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,480
really long time they've denied it for

1485
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:58,880
so long so i think it's important to

1486
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,640
to find those baby steps and those

1487
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:05,520
small accomplishments and move forward

1488
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,920
with it

1489
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:08,880
the mystery keeps jason and i both going

1490
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,440
um

1491
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,359
the mystery of the internet has been

1492
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,200
with us all day today but uh

1493
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,880
thank you everyone for your patience i

1494
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:16,400
know there was a lot of glitches and

1495
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,040
whatnot

1496
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,599
but we got to what we really wanted to

1497
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,200
again i'm going to cut and splice this

1498
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,960
together and make a smooth podcast for

1499
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,680
you guys

1500
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:26,000
to listen to but before we go jason

1501
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,280
where can we find

1502
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,240
everything you're up to rogueplanet.tv

1503
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,280
that's that's

1504
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,680
our home for everything strange and on

1505
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,079
twitter at acentric

1506
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,119
perfect and everything we can do is

1507
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:41,920
found at somewhere in the skies dot com

1508
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:45,200
go listen to unknown go learn about

1509
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,240
space law

1510
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,000
and uh we'll see you guys on the other

1511
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,000
side jason thank you for joining me

1512
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,839
again on somewhere in the skies buddy

1513
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,760
thank you brother and thank you to

1514
00:51:11,600 --> 00:50:55,280
everyone out there for watching

1515
00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:15,090
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